Kratom for Opiate Withdrawal Dosage

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lampoon

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Hi friends, I need some advice.

I was taking methadone for nearly five years and recently made a switch to Kratom. I am using 6 mg Enhanced Bali capsules daily, and I feel normal. I started at four times a day and then reduced it to three times a day over five days. But now I am worried about getting Kratom withdrawal symptoms.

I know for a fact that Kratom contains mu receptor agonists, hence I kinda expect to get some withdrawal symptoms when I stop Kratom. If I continue with Kratom, my brain would gradually adjust to Kratom. If I follow this logic, then I should stop at day 25, as it would mean that Kratom withdrawals would stop around the same time as methadone withdrawals (typically lasting for 30 days).

Rather than the intensity of the withdrawals, I fear the length of the withdrawals. I can handle symptoms for few days, but not sure if I can handle it for a sustained period.

I need advice from members here as to how long should I keep taking Kratom to minimize withdrawals from methadone and Kratom?

Note: I do not take Kratom throughout the day. I dose at around 8-hour mark, to ease the symptoms.
 
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Petals

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You did not specify how much methadone were you taking and whether you still get any noticeable withdrawal symptoms from methadone.

I must tell you that you are in a pickle right now as methadone has a tendency of long withdrawal and you are worried about getting dependent on Kratom. Given your situation, I would say you stick with Kratom for around 10 to 14 days and then stop it.
 
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lampoon

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My methadone dose was around 30 mg for a majority of the time. My methadone withdrawal symptoms would start manifesting around 4-5 hour mark, but is mostly limited to cold flushes, sweating, anxiety, runny nose and mild gastrointestinal discomfort. My sleep is also fine, and I keep a stock of benzos to help me when I am off Kratom.

Kratom has worked very well for me till now, and I have got major relief from withdrawals, but I am worried about being dependent, and my focus is on eliminating my cravings. I try to keep the doses spaced apart which would allow time for my mu receptors to heal.
 
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yvette

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I try to keep the doses spaced apart which would allow time for my mu receptors to heal.
What’s there to heal? The endogenous opioid system is neither broken nor hurt. Upregulation – increased opioid use would result in increased production of receptors. Stop using them; your body starts reacting to these receptors, downregulation. As a matter of fact, you are just switching from a long-acting opioid to short-acting opioid, a necessity when you are doing a methadone taper.

Note: I do not take Kratom throughout the day. I dose at around 8-hour mark, to ease the symptoms.
The main problem in this method is lack of standardized dosing. There are studies which state that nine days are enough to cleanse your body of methadone. If you use short-acting opioid any longer than this, it can mar your chances of long-term abstinence. The most one should hope by switching from methadone to a short-acting opioid before weaning completely is to ease into acute withdrawal phase slowly.
 
Mag

Mag

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Just my 2 cents here

I have developed a quicker and easier detox method which involves the following four medicines:
  • Darvon 65 65 mg every 8 hours
  • Dicyclomine 10 mg/5ml solution or Belladonna 1/8 gram for controlling intestinal distress.
  • Clonazepam 0.5mg - 1.0 mg for anxiety.
  • Catapres TTS-1 patch to help in controlling blood pressure surges.
The key role in this is played by Propoxyphene. It is a methadone analog which helps you in functioning during detox, but not strong enough to create a habit. All four medicines are important since each has a role to play. This technique works, and you can even go to work during your detox phase.

Good luck.
 
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cassandra

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I think using Kratom for 14 days would be enough. I have used Kratom to get myself weaned off from pod tea, and it has worked for me.

Now I know that you have already started using Kratom and most probably have completed the dose, but you can follow the schedule that I follow every time. I reduce the dose by 1/3 after every three days with the aim to reduce the dose taken rather than stretching the time between doses.

This has always worked for me. Plus, the Kratom helps in staving off the depression which I tend to get when I use tramadol and other stuff for tapering.
 
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Allison

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I second those statements which say that Kratom should not be used for more than two weeks. If you keep using it longer, you are just transferring addictions from “XYZ” to Kratom.

Be careful and God Bless.
 
Melody

Melody

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Guys, I want to know why there is a “2-week” fixation. Is there any study about it and I also do not get the transferring addiction thing.

I am asking this because I was on IV Dilaudid for nearly one month after a complicated surgery. I went home and seamlessly switched to hydrocodone. My body did not seem to give a damn about which opioid I used. I can understand that weaker opioids may not be able to stabilize a person at normal doses, but the dependency would still be there. So if there are any studies that friends have come across which validates these things, I would be thrilled to go through it.
 
Kenny

Kenny

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Friends, I am planning to use Kratom. Which strain, according to you, would be the best for withdrawals?
 
ellis

ellis

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Red Vein is the best, but then it depends on your taste. If you are planning to use it, then shop for it online as it is way cheaper than head shops.
 
AishA

AishA

New Member
Here is my take on opioid dependency.

If one uses an opioid and it does not help, it does not mean that it would not help in treating withdrawal. The best method of treating acute opioid withdrawal is using a combination of buprenorphine/methadone, clonidine, gabapentin, diazepam and any drug for insomnia. Taking buprenorphine/methadone is the ideal way of detoxing from opioids. Taking it for a week to 10 days won’t make withdrawals worse when these meds are stopped. A week or 10 days is not enough for the body to get dependent on the opioid that is being used to treat acute withdrawal.

Even if buprenorphine/methadone would not provide much comfort, use of other meds would still result in making a big difference, but having either of them would make the withdrawal symptoms more manageable. When it comes to Kratom, it is an opioid, whatever people may say. For the uninitiated, it is a like a cross between tramadol and buprenorphine. It's like tramadol when it comes to affecting the mood of a person and is like buprenorphine in a sense that higher doses tend to act as a partial agonist.

Using Kratom for treating acute opioid withdrawal is good and feasible, but it is not user-friendly like buprenorphine and other drugs used in the combo. Same rules apply for both, restrict the use to two weeks unless planning to start a maintenance program. The only downside of using Kratom is the need to have more frequent doses due to the shorter half-life compared to a longer-acting opioid.

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guitarfishzaner

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My only side effect is hot flashes, but so much better than alcohol!
My favorite strain is Red Vein for the pain!
 
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